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Boathouse parking

June 26, 2014

To the editor: I was disappointed and surprised at the negativity of the new Boathouse parking and the business of the Boathouse. Some even complained about business making profit....

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jack215

Jul-01-14 5:56 PM

Grumpy I guess we have a different feeling on all parks vs the yacht club. That's fine. As for getting to a meeting i would miss out on time and money at work. Beside i would rather talk one on one. BTW enjoy the 4th

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grumpy19

Jul-01-14 5:39 PM

I did say no cost permits. I rethought it and feel that anyone using the beach, which is high maintenance, should pay for that privilege. Parking meters would be OK, but I still think all parks would have to have them. It's an alternative revenue source. It would help pay for upkeep of the parks. As for speaking with one council member concerning parking meters. That's just about equivalent to talking to a wall. Go before council as I have in the past and raise the issue. Then, maybe you will get some answer on it.

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jack215

Jul-01-14 4:43 PM

I did talk to a council member about meters. Did you not in a post say that it should be no cost permits for the residents? I think that meters at parks other then the yacht club is wrong. In my view with the parking at the yacht club it should be the same rate for all till the parking lot is redone so that more cars can fit in there.

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grumpy19

Jul-01-14 4:04 PM

jack215: parking meters were brought up several years ago. The powers that be felt it would be too expensive to put in and maintain. Do a permit system as we have with the boat trailer parking. Residents get a permit for a nominal fee and non residents pay an hourly fee from a machine just like we have for the boat trailer parking. If parking meters were to go into the Yacht Club Park, I feel all parks would have to have them also. If you feel that strongly about putting parking meters in, suggest at a council meeting when they get back from their month long vacation.

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jack215

Jul-01-14 10:17 AM

Grumpy Why is it so wrong to put parking meters in at the yacht club? This is the only beach area that has free parking in this area. I am all for some from of a parking fee there and the money used for parking lot upgrades. This way is the most fair as i see it.

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grumpy19

Jun-30-14 5:25 PM

KirstenThompson: That is not how I understood what was said. As I recall, one would be put on CCP, east of Del Prado. The other would be put on the overpass from Midpoint Bridge crossing Del Prado. If that location is true. They would have to get permission from Lee County as the road on the overpass is a county road. Del Prado is also a county road. I will check on this with my council member.

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KirstenThompson

Jun-30-14 7:51 AM

Grumpy, while the advertising company would provide the billboard and allow the City to advertise community information, they would also pay the city rent for allowing the use on City owned property, thus, revenue stream. Who maintains it? The advertiser. You missed the part where it would still be a source of advertising revenue for them.

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grumpy19

Jun-29-14 1:39 PM

KirstenThompson: You have got to be kidding about the electronic signs being an alternate source of revenue. Those signs may be donated to the city. Here is the problem with that. Who pays the electric bill for the operation of those signs? The tax payers, that's who. Who pays for the maintenance of these signs, once the installer/donator warranty runs out? How are they generating an alternate source of revenue? I just don't see how that will happen.

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grumpy19

Jun-29-14 12:44 PM

Packer: the loose bolt was not caused by people banging into the dock. It was caused by wood rot. This was more than 2 years ago. When I called the city, they redid much of the finger piers at the yacht club. I don't know if they have changed the inspection and repair of the docks at the ramps. As for the Boathouse. Many are misconstruing what I have said. I don't hate the Boathouse. It is a good thing for the Yacht Club area. The problem I had, as did many others, was the parking issue. The other venues at the Yacht Club park rent out space for weddings and other occasions. They also collect fees for other uses such as, AARP drivers education classes.

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Packer

Jun-29-14 9:19 AM

Continued....

All that is left is a simple wash down to get the manatee blood off the hull. Oh yes.... Almost forgot... Quick wipe of Jr's fore head maybe a stitch or two from grandpas world class docking maneuver.

Lastly they fire up the grill and cook that delicious baby snook they wrangled while sitting high and dry on the sea grass.

Grump, that is how you get that loose bolt on the dock. The city has staff out regularly to repair finger piers and docks. Last year they even sent contractors in to clean them up. They gave Everest a huge makeover and in a week the great minds scared the ramp with there motors and then whined about how poorly the City maintains the ramps.

As for the topic.... The Boathouse is an asset!! I hope it pushes the City to rethink the entire Yacht Club. Finally, a renter in there that pays it's rent.

God Bless us all for the great minds that have gathered here to save us....

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Packer

Jun-29-14 9:02 AM

Grump, those loose bolts happen because the great minds from the rest of the country flock here to save us from ourselves. The first thing they buy is a house, the second is a boat. They launch there boats..... After a long day out terrorizing others on the water and the tide rolls back in. The unbeach themselves from the sandbar they hit at 50 knots and head for the ramp. They approach the ramp at a slow 20 knots and BAM! There back ON the dock. After 90 minutes of backing the trailer to the water and the rear axle of the 4 cyl mini van is properly submersed, they trailer the boat again, and again, and again. Next, with the motor secured in the down position, they get in the car and nail the gas pedal and drag the motor up the ramp with the majority of the boat safely nested on one side of the trailer.

A quick removal of the sea grass from the prop, unwrap the fishing line from where they drove through a quiet and out the way fishermans line...... Continued........

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KirstenThompson

Jun-28-14 9:07 PM

"As for alternate revenue sources. What alternates have been proposed where the residents and tax payers are not footing the bill?"

Most recently, electronic billboards.

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grumpy19

Jun-28-14 5:26 PM

Raydunavant I know how to handle a boat. I've been running boats of all sizes for 45 years. The loose bolt was not out in plain sight that almost put the hole in my boat. It was right behind one of the pilings you tie up to at the Yacht Club ramp.

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Raydunavant

Jun-28-14 4:47 PM

Grumpy,

What does "almost holed!" mean? Do you not know how to handle a boat?

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grumpy19

Jun-28-14 11:56 AM

KirstenThompson: You seem to have missed the boat. Nobody said it was wrong to give a lease at market value. The lease was for the property from the fishing pier to the gas dock. It did not include the parking lot. That is what people were concerned about. The entire Yacht Club is considered a park and has always been free. If you put parking meters into the Yacht Club park, then every park would have to be included. Sunsplash has never been a free venue and only recently was not subsidized by the tax payers of Cape Coral. They finally started to show profit. As for alternate revenue sources. What alternates have been proposed where the residents and tax payers are not footing the bill? How about the city getting together with the County to attract big business to the Cape? The County seems to assist all other communities. Big business would be an alternative tax source that the tax payer wouldn't be paying the taxes for.

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Wilson

Jun-28-14 10:03 AM

I don't go there....so I don't care. Went once to that so called beach. Dirty and unkempt would not go back. Also, KC's was a dump.

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KirstenThompson

Jun-28-14 8:58 AM

I am always baffled by those who scream because they don't want to pay more taxes or fees, shout that we need to find alternate revenue sources, condemn every suggestion for alternate revenues, yet complain because services and amenities are not to their expectations. Taxpayers subsidizing rent of snack bar that has trouble paying said rent is a good thing? Leasing property at fair market rent to business that is thriving and contributing more in taxes is a bad thing? Implementing 'pay for service' fees, such as parking meters, would be a bad thing? Should admission to Sun Splash then also be free because it is an amenity provided by Parks and Rec and fees for use included in our property taxes?

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grumpy19

Jun-27-14 5:46 PM

1sandy: The money that boaters pay goes into the general fund. It does not get used for the ramps as it should. Maintenance of the ramps and docks are a joke. My boat almost was holed by loose hardware at one of the docks. If it were maintained the way it should be, that never would have happened. Employees get paid, equipment purchased through the parks and rec budget which is taxpayer dollars from those that use the facilities. Those people are not free loaders as you say. They are tax payers. On top of that, this is Cape Coral. What is done elsewhere doesn't have a thing to do with this city. I never said I preferred KC's. Read and comprehend my previous comment. Wait for snowbird season where parking will be at a premium. Summer is off season, so parking has never really been a big issue until the Valet parking took over the parking area in front of the establishment.

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1sandy

Jun-27-14 5:04 PM

@grumpy19: Why is it living here longer than someone else means what? The money collected goes into a general fund, who cares where it gores, the ramps are kept up, aren't they? So, if the ramps are kept up and the park ranger checks on safety of the vehicles being parked the funds are being used for the boaters. Meters would force beach goers and restaurant users to feed the meter, like everywhere else, and give more to the cost of the up. They use the beach, fish, feed the meters. And NO cost permits. NO cost? Where do you think the money comes from to pay employees, by equipment and the items used for maintenance? More free loaders to be sure. I have been to the Boat house 6 times and found FREE parking everytime. I wouldn't eat at KC's unless I was on penicillin. I like nice things, restaurants and nightclubs...If you want to live in a gone-by dump, move to Lehigh. The price is right for you and your ilk.

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grumpy19

Jun-27-14 12:26 PM

OOPS, something happened to my post. It should have read as follows. KC's wasn't a full blown restaurant/bar.

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grumpy19

Jun-27-14 12:03 PM

's wasn't a full blown restaurant/bar. It was a snack bar that catered to beach goers and fisherman and those who wanted a cold drink and relax with the water view. There have always been parking problems at the Yacht Club. The valet parking only made it worse. That took much of the free parking that we had away for a private business.

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grumpy19

Jun-27-14 11:14 AM

1sandy: Where were you when the boat trailer parking fee was instituted? That's right, you didn't live here then. Boaters pay a $10 daily fee or a yearly fee for a sticker. That money collected isn't even used for the boating publics use of the ramps. It goes into the general fund to be used by all departments. That money should have gone directly into maintenance and improvements to the ramps and parking. I wish there was a way to have those who do use the beach and fishing pier to pay for the upkeep. The same for the racquetball courts, tennis courts and swimming pool. Parking meters are not the answer. Maybe parking permits should be issued at no cost to full time residents and part time residents or people from outside the Cape have to purchase a yearly permit.

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1sandy

Jun-27-14 10:49 AM

I think the property was NOT handed over to the Boat house but was leased at a premium. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good lie. And parking meters will be right up there with the Tea Party's philosophy...let those who use the Beach and water front, PAY for the use, maintenance and up keep.

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Electrician

Jun-27-14 9:53 AM

JJSully you're so correct. When your total patronage amounts to one picnic table parking is not a problem.

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onlythetruth

Jun-27-14 6:50 AM

KC ran it for 20 years with no parking problems because no one wanted to go there. This business in place now actually has patrons.

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