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There must be a balance

December 20, 2013

To the editor: Politicians, in order to get elected, preach platitudes, make promises, inspire us with integrity, agree to protect our neighborhoods and in general convince us they will represent......

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FCPERRY

Dec-27-13 7:21 PM

CCC: I do not know you, and your personal, righteous anger directed at me is inappropriate in this public forum. You hide behind a screen name and call me by my first name. Your rage and your bravado concern me since you hide behind your anonymity. If you are an unstable personality I have no intention of provoking you.

I do not want an apology from you, I was be sarcastic while poking fun at myself.

Please get a grip, you are over top. If you continue, I will ask the editor for her opinion.

Nothing good, on this public vote by council, can come from a confrontation with you. I hope you are not a public official!

My LTE stands.

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CapeCoralCuestions

Dec-27-13 3:37 PM

FcPerry said to CapeCoralCuestions: "If you do not apologize for your hurtful criticism calling my LTE "derogatory" i will refrain from writing any more derogatory, i mean passionate, insightful, erudite sermons for the rest of the year." Hell will freeze over before I apologize for criticizing your foolish, miserable LTE which was neither (as you claim)insightful or eridite, nor were your post-LTE comments! Thank you for agreeing to man up, shut up, and go away for a year.

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CapeCoralCuestions

Dec-27-13 3:19 PM

FC: What YOU side-stepped and I clearly SAID was: "You started this issue with your derogatory LTE which is full of suppositions and false allegations. (Yeah, you did.) Please name one 'lobbyist' (WHICH YOU HAVE NOT DONE) and then tell us why you have such a hair where this young couple is concerned. (WHICH YOU HAVEN'T DONE) What is your 'thing' with the "LLC"? What magic bullet do you think those initials mean? (WHICH YOU HAVEN"T ADDRESSED) You are a fraud, Frank. You are not used to people calling you on your Sh*t! What you said that was wrong and negative in the LTE was too much to deal with , so you can get a friends to do it for you. You must be one of those progressive liberals who can spout the party line but not make a good argument or rebuttal. So you ‘give up’ saying the rest of us are too ignorant to ‘get it’ when in fact it is YOU who is the ignorant sheep. Raising your voice, yelling and cursing, belittling others, does not make what you say the truth.

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anticorp

Dec-25-13 5:45 PM

There are so many great comments on this an other op-eds.

It is too bad the paper is out of the loop or maybe I should say trying to operate a "closed loop."

Clearly responsible comments often need the gravitas of studies and authoritative writers to support their views.

Wake up CC. This is becoming an important community hub. Loosen your grip and let it be all it can be.

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Eileyn

Dec-23-13 1:26 PM

Twilight Zone, Cape Coral or both? I'm over it, been over it, and sick and tired of people being mean to each other when they don't see eye to eye. People, when we act like this crap in this forum, or any venue like this, it's a sad commentary on civility.

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FCPERRY

Dec-23-13 10:04 AM

CapeCoralCuestions wrote: "You(perry) lost my respect." CCC, you have not lost my "respect" sir/madam, because eye do not know who you are? However, maybe you never had my respect? i apologize for my "tone".

If you do not apologize for your hurtful criticism calling my LTE "derogatory" i will refrain from writing any more derogatory, i mean passionate, insightful, erudite sermons for the rest of the year.

CapeCoralCuestions wrote: " The very fact that not one councilman (you forgot councilwomen, now i think i know who you are John) backed the nimbys should tell you something." Yes, you are right, it tells me those folks on council know that they are smarter than the average N.I.M.B.Y.S.

CCC wrote: " you are in lock step with Kehn and Rockso tells me something.". No disrespect to Mr. Kuhn and Mrs. Rosko, maybe they are in lockstep with me?

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CapeCoralCuestions

Dec-23-13 1:16 AM

FC: You started this issue with your derogatory LTE which is full of suppositions and false allegations. How bored must you be to start this dung-storm. Please name one 'lobbyist' and then tell us why you have such a hair where this young couple is concerned. What is your 'thing' with the "LLC"? What magic bullet do you think those initials mean? Guess what FC--this issue is not about Y O U and your neighborhood. The very fact that not one councilman backed the nimbys should tell you something. The fact that you are in lock step with Kehn and Rockso tells me something. You lost my respect.

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LynnRosko

Dec-22-13 5:20 PM

Frank you should see the nasty nasty response I received from CM Cariosa. What a putz.

He called all those people NIMBY's that spoke out against the Kayak deal!

I will never understand why they did not put this Kayak thing in Festival Park with the gigantic lake there and all those homes they did a quick take on at the top of the market. The City is a major landlord in Festival Park renting out those homes. $30 million for all those homes and all they use Festival Park for is a dumping ground! Brilliant simply Brilliant and none on the Council or the Mayor even brought it up as an alternative solution.

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FCPERRY

Dec-22-13 5:18 PM

CapeCoralQuestions: Continued

Comments, from many good people, to my opinion letter have been overwhelmingly negative. I do not live on the lake nor did i lead the discussion during Citizen's Input .

Not one council member gave them support. I have had a personal experience with an LLC that set up their business in my neighborhood. Council then, as they have now, see homeowners as a nuisance and fully support a business, oh, i mean a "charitable nonprofit" and ignore the integrity of R1 zoning.

I give up! You and your Council friends are right. I stand corrected! Thank You! I am done!

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FCPERRY

Dec-22-13 5:16 PM

CapeCoralQuestions wrote: "Kayak is not a business but a non-profit charitable organization supporting a sport." Technically, i believe you are sincere on this point .

In my opinion, "Kayak Korp." is not akin to Parks and Rec, but rather motivated entrepreneurs (morepowertothem) who hide behind loopholes in terminology to get an almost "free" ride from Council .

They will provide goods and service, at market prices (probably) and the city will have no say.

You wrote: they(kayak korp) are "...charitable..", call me cynical, maybe even Grinch, i never got any charitable vibes from this group or their business supporters.

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CapeCoralCuestions

Dec-22-13 4:59 PM

FC: There are less than a dozen landowners who oppose this club. They are also, reportedly, the same people that other neighbors complain about for noise and disruption. This is not a private lake but a city owned lake. Anyone and everyone can use it. The arguments these lake-side owners give are the same ones used for Cape Harbor and Tarpon Point and Sandoval. All three are the crown jewels of Cape. What say you. Same rhetoric same council vote. Thank god.

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CapeCoralCuestions

Dec-22-13 3:14 PM

FC: council has not given away property-they are leasing it. Kayak is not a business but a non-profit charitable organization supporting a sport. As a non-profit, granted by IRS, they are strictly, tightly monitored as to activities, profits, salaries, benefits, etc. So: your claim of lobbyists would get them in trouble; your claim of huge profits would get them in trouble; operating outside their scope (international kayaking and training) would get them in trouble. Further they have only a 30-day quit notice from the Cape so if they step out of line at all--they can be evicted. You think a no-sound kayak more detrimental than a dozen jet skis and power boats? What if swimmers wanted access? You still have not addressed the hundreds of us who called and wrote to council in support of this club. Do our votes and wishes not count?

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FCPERRY

Dec-22-13 10:29 AM

Ms. Thompson; continued It was the neighbors of Lake Kennedy who begged Council to hear their petitions. I was not involved.

My empathy is with them, but further, Council has no business giving away public property to private companies, with no tangible benefit for the public and probably damaging a single family neighborhoods. It is unnecessary and a bad precedent. Business belongs in business zones.

I know, you think I am wrong!

The vote was 8-Zero, Zip, Nada, Nothing for the neighbors. This is not an issue about "TONE". The well paid business lobbyists are powerful. No, i am not aware of any "quid pro quo", nor make any implication of wrong doing. But we know who donated $100 and who donated $1000. Suddenly, my candidate friend has lost my number and you lunge out of the shadows to publically castigate me.

As i said, Call of Duty Zone.

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FCPERRY

Dec-22-13 10:28 AM

Ms. Thompson: you wrote: "I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone." Me too, i feel like i am in the "Call to Duty" zone. WOW, we think alike, almost!

You wrote: "... you(perry) outlined in detail why you think this was a bad decision..." You avoid taking a position as to the validly of the issues of governance being raised, but feel compelled to judge my "tone" as unacceptable. BTW, this not the first time you have scolded me for my "opinion".

You wrote: "You know I always call it like I see it and I think the bashing was a little unfair."

So you're telling everyone, with all humility, that I am a "BASHER". I BASH council members. Well young lady, here is one for you: I don't like your TONE. Just calling it as i see it! Now we are getting somewhere.

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KirstenThompson

Dec-22-13 6:52 AM

Wow. I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone.

Frank, I completely support and respect your right to disagree with the decision on this issue. What shocked me when I saw your name was not that you outlined in detail why you think this was a bad decision but, rather, the tone toward the council members. When you supported these campaigns, did you honestly think they would agree with you on every issue? I know there will be issues where I don't see eye to eye with them. What should be important is how they handle the differences and treat people with different opinions. You know I always call it like I see it and I think the bashing was a little unfair.

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anticorp

Dec-21-13 10:46 PM

Until citizens stand up to the false rhetoric of "growth is a given" and it will increase the tax base and "keep taxes low", shun - no, that is not harsh enough, boo these slicksters off the stage, we'll keep getting the shaft.

If you have the makings of a viable community(ies)businesses seeking to profit from your success will follow. We must insist that pay their own freight, not be bribed and given our sweat equity to be by sent to Wall Street.

That has been the Republican Way. It has to stop.

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FCPERRY

Dec-21-13 9:57 PM

Mr./Ms. 1Sandy: you are very perceptive, i do have a bee in my bonnet. I just did not want to bore you with the horror story. A real estate LLC bought 13 homes/property in my single family neighborhood. This is not illegal. The LLC decided the home they owned next to mine would be a great vacation/party house, Europeans and others welcome. This is illegal. This noisy business activity in a single family neighborhood was a nightmare.

Council, and their real estate friends, considered me a nuisance and did nothing.

As a homeowner, you have no recourse if Council will not protect the integrity of R1 zoning. The business vultures that circle around the candidates on the campaign trail blot out the sun. Every current member of council knows who these "business", well paid, predators are.

Please let me try again: Council has no business injecting this business into this area. It is a slippery slope.

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1sandy

Dec-21-13 8:55 PM

@FCPERRY: I just don't understand why you are not willing to give it a chance. Read the lease. If it doesn't work out there is a 30 day opt out clause for the City. Nobody expects the City to allow any venue to continue if it turns sour. What ever happened to let's move the city forward? However, if there was no opt out clause and this Council went forward with it I would have been the first to criticize the entire agreement. But that is not the case. I still find it curious that you never appeared in any previous blogs on these articles and all of a sudden, after the vote, out you come against the Kayak deal. Truly odd to say the least. So you think Dr. Joe is wrong on this? And McGrail's loss was truly a result of an anti-incumbent mentality here in the Cape, nothing more, nothing less. Only 1 incumbent has been re-elected in the last 3 elections. I rest my case.

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FCPERRY

Dec-21-13 6:49 PM

Continued to "1sandy": You wrote: " I was impressed with former Mayor Joe Mazurkiewicz". So am I! Dr . Mazurkiewicz is a charter member of the bold and the beautiful in this town. i would not mess with him if i were you.

Mrs. Rosko has a right to speak in the public square. Whether i agree or disagree is insignificant!

Why are you so bitter? The voters have spoken unequivocally to the Road Ahead group and the now defunct Minutemen.

"1sandy" wrote: " as well as the former Councilman McGrail, a resident for decades, are for the Kayak Club at that location ". As for the former councilman evoking "glanderous meetings in Tammy Hall's office", will not touch that nonsense. The voters did not like his thinking.

Please let me try again: Council has no business giving away public property to private companies, with no tangible benefit for the public and probably damaging single family neighborhoods. Business belongs in business zones.

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FCPERRY

Dec-21-13 6:47 PM

Mr./Mrs. "1sandy": you wrote, " @FCPERRY:Talk about being cryptic, what DID you do to add your input to the discussion? - per your query, spoke at length with a councilmember delineating core issues and discussing the sound governing concept of "ZONING". Obviously, my ability to persuade needs work! Also, contacted another councilmember urging a "no" vote.

You wrote: "There is a commercial venue at that location, it is called SUN SPLASH" - please correct me, that is owned by the city and does use Lake Kennedy?

You wrote:" Everyone is for bringing "international visitors" to the Cape". "Frankly Scarlett, i don't give a damn!"

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rocco1

Dec-21-13 6:12 PM

Sandy1, everyone that disagrees with council decisions is not a RAG. Time to put the RAG moniker away. Every persons opinion counts, even if you disagree with it. How about arguing the merits of the issues and stopping the name calling.

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rocco1

Dec-21-13 6:08 PM

There is no evidence that neighbors are being damaged by this decision. Council made the right call in giving this a chance to suceed. There is planty of time to evaluate and adjust in the future, should it become necessary. Sometimes you have to take a chance and see if things work out. The potential of putting Cape Coral on the map is worth it. And yes the possible upside to the city is worth giving away city property for nothing. Little is lost if it does not pan out.

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1sandy

Dec-21-13 5:28 PM

(CONTINUED) sour grapes comment even for a hard core RAG. And Frank, keep listening and agreeing with sweet RAG ROSKO and you too can become a RAG.

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1sandy

Dec-21-13 5:24 PM

@FCPERRY:Talk about being cryptic, what DID you do to add your input to the discussion? There is a commercial venue at that location,it is called SUN SPLASH! Everyone is for bringing "international visitors" to the Cape, it is just that nobody wants to allow anything within 1 mile of their neighborhoods to accomplish this. I was impressed with former Mayor Joe Mazurkiewicz,I recall he was elected 4 times,who gave a very persuasive case to have the Kayak Club at that location. This former Mayor,a resident for decades,as well as the former Councilman McGrail,a resident for decades,are for the Kayak Club at that location. So I guess RAG ROSKO is wrong when she says,"These are the kind of decisions you get from people that run for Council & Mayor that know nothing about what has transpired in the City & in actuality are short term residents for the most part & had no participation in government prior to running for office!" What a disgusting,dispicable and

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FCPERRY

Dec-21-13 4:59 PM

Mr. Raydunavant: always enjoy reading your comments because your perspectives are insightful. You are a strong voice.

I do not own property in the affected area. The residents and property owners beg Council not to introduce this LLC business into their neighborhood,. The intention of this LLC to expand their business activity rightfully concerns them.

This LLC hides behind the title of a "CLUB", paints a fantasy of Olympic greatness for the Cape, implies a restaurant boom, also an influx of Europeans who will buy homes, follow me here, this will increase house prices, lower taxes. What's wrong with me?! More likely, methinks there is "something rotten in Denmark."

Please let me try again: Council has no business giving away public property to private companies, with no tangible benefit for the public and probably damaging single family neighborhoods. It is unnecessary and a bad precedent. Business belongs in business zones.

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