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Kayak club lease back on the table

December 12, 2013

On Monday, the Cape Coral City Council is expected to make its final decision on whether to enter into a lease agreement with an area kayak club that has big plans for city-owned property on Lake......

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grumpy19

Dec-16-13 6:30 PM

Lolita:L We can only hope. I've been watching the city council meeting and a lot has been brought to light. Time will tell as to what will happen. I still believe that they said the 1 year lease was temporary until they found an area in west Cape Coral to move too. As I have said before. I have no problem with the venue. It is location and the lease terms. Specifically, $10 a year. I am a member of a non profit that used a building within the Yacht Club last year. The rental for a one time use was far in excess of $10.

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Lolita

Dec-16-13 2:24 PM

Grumpy,

It's been said the only things that you can expect out of life are taxes and death. I fully expect this, if voted in, to produce a positive venue. However, nothing in life is guaranteed. Have a Wonderful Holiday.

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grumpy19

Dec-16-13 11:32 AM

Lolita: I'm not really disagreeing with your statement per se. The problem is that you said possibly. I would hope that that will happen but there is no guarantee that it will. I am also not against the Kayak Club thing. The location and the city giveaway of 3 acres of property and structure is what I disagree with. I say giveaway, because that is what it is. $10 a year is not the amount that should be charged in my opinion. Especially when they charge so much for membership and training for the youth. We all know how the vote will go tonight. The Kayak Club will get their lease over any and all objections. Hopefully it will all work out for the better. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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Lolita

Dec-16-13 7:59 AM

Grumpy.

I am trying to understand your comment about my statement that possibly they will bring families, etc. who will invest in our City, as something you don't agree with. Don't mean to be dense, just trying to understand the reasoning.

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grumpy19

Dec-15-13 12:27 PM

1sandy: I am not anti Cape. You state that there are several venues that, by contract are paying $10 a year. This is not about a venue paying that amount. It is about a supposed non profit business. If you are going to state as fact, that there are venues paying that pittance. It is incumbent on you to state who they are. I never did agree with stopping the UEP. To blame some on city council for the ultimate decision is not correct. They listened to the residents at the time and voted to table it.

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grumpy19

Dec-15-13 12:20 PM

Lolita: You blew your own argument out of the water with saying that there is a ...possibility of those who visit our City for this entity will eventually bring family and friends, who may decide to bring businesses, et al. The city cries they need money. Stop giving the city away. How can you justify giving a lease. long term with an extension of same at $10 a year, on a property that is 3 acres with a structure on it? There are way too many what if's to justify a lease like that. Are they really operating as a non profit organization? Why haven't their financials been shown at a council meeting? I think that should be done for the public before any decision is made on any kind of lease for that property.

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1sandy

Dec-14-13 9:45 PM

The anti-Cape cabal will always dump on new venues coming to the Cape. The RAGs stopped progress with the halt of the UEP and the failure to address deteriorating infrastructure. There are several venues in this City only paying 10 dollars a year, by contract, to the Cape and the Rag Council was part of those agreements. Check it out.

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Lolita

Dec-14-13 12:07 PM

Grumpy,

It is very apparent that no matter what I would offer in the way of an argument to try to bring economic development to this City, you would bring up these same arguments. Direct benefit...possibility of those who visit our City for this entity will eventually bring family and friends, who may decide to bring businesses, et al. Are there clear benefits that can be put on paper, with a stamp of approval from everyone, no. If we continue to wait for that, it will never come. As for it being across from my home, sure....I would be happy to volunteer to introduce these visitors to our City and encourage to spend their time here. I live in a very mixed neighborhood area. I have no problem, but I do understand the problems others, and you have with this entity. We will wait and see what happens on Monday. Have a wonderful holiday and thanks, as always, for sharing you insight.

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grumpy19

Dec-14-13 10:49 AM

Lolita: Where is the direct benefit to the city from this. Most are not against economic development. I, and many others see no direct benefit to the city itself, other than $10 a year. Forget about money spent for hotel/motel rooms. They want to put in dorm like structures for those coming to train. I will bet that food will be cooked onsite, so the restaurant argument doesn't float either. If this were going in next to , or across from your home. Would you be so agreeable? I think not. It is a business under the guise of non-profit. If I owned a boat building business and got the proper clearances to open it next to your home. What would be your reaction? You'd be fighting it, even though it comes under your idea of economic development.

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Lolita

Dec-13-13 5:36 PM

Don't jump in the lakes. Alligators are there. The residents pointed that out. Careful. We might get some economic development. Nah. Only kidding. Why would anyone want to do anything here.

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grumpy19

Dec-13-13 4:41 PM

I believe when they first approached the city for a lases. It was for one year while they looked into another area of the Cape that wasn't as dense. I didn't agree with the rent at that time. I sure as heck don't agree with a 5 year lease at $10 a year with a caveat for another 5 years at the end of the first 5 years. What they plan to do at that site is not what anyone thought it would be. Dorms for the athletes on the site? It's a residential area, not an area for a barracks type building. Kayak storage is another problem. The site IMHO will become nothing more than an eyesore for those that live along the lake shore.

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Angelsonly

Dec-13-13 7:18 AM

This will be approved and one year from now idle speed will be the law on the chain of lakes. Once the club is approved the residents can go jump in the lakes. Just the way it works in Cape Coral.

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