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Who was representing the taxpayers?

October 11, 2013

To the editor: Who, from the City staff or Council came to court to defend the citizens against our City’s lawsuit against US???? Only Mayor Sullivan and Councilman Chulakes-Leetz came to speak an......

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JustanotherBill

Oct-11-13 8:18 AM

The efforts by this group are certainly appreciated. This is the first time I have ever been sued by a city and I am appalled at the decisions our council is making.

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Lolita

Oct-11-13 8:30 AM

As much as I commend all citizens who take the time and efforts to come forward to present their case, it is always unfortunate when they mix their personal opinions, not fact, of supposed violations and character destruction of seated council members, etc. Is there really a violation of receiving a pension and signing documents as council member? This is what is wrong with what happens in our City. One side consistently calling for removal of office due to "violations" that are never proven. Speak and come forward no matter which side you are on, but, please, state the proven facts and not innuendo and opinion.

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Raydunavant

Oct-11-13 9:39 AM

The old RAGS are starting to come out of hibernation.

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numbnutz

Oct-11-13 10:17 AM

Unlike when you sued the city Bill?

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numbnutz

Oct-11-13 10:19 AM

Ray its only their medication kicking in. They will soon be returned to their normal vegetative state once the election is over.

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netransplant

Oct-11-13 11:14 AM

Steve, we the majority of taxpayers know why the bond validation works like it does, despite the misrepresentations your buddies tried to present in court. I personally pay more in taxes toward the GF than the 2 officials who work to destroy the city, so I have a bigger stake in this than them. I support revenue diversification as a tool to stabilize our future budgets, but you seem to thrive in the chaos the current dependency on ad valorum system creates. I'm confident the judge will rule for the city based upon past validations in Florida, and we will continue to create a city we are proud to call home. Remember Mr. Crane, this is a free country so that those who don't like it here can go anywhere their bitterness will take them.

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NanaII

Oct-11-13 12:34 PM

Hmmm...I wonder what those self proclaimed hero's have cost us taxpayers in court costs?

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Dsharrd

Oct-11-13 12:51 PM

Who are "we the people?" I am a "people" and I am totally for the fire assessment. We need to stop relying on nothing more than my property tax. It is a shame these individuals, who claim to represent us, have stooped so low to use innuendo and misstated "facts" to stir up our citizens.

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Lolita

Oct-11-13 1:17 PM

Mr. Crane. The Councilman Nesta issue with his pension is false, verified twice. His pension comes from a different source. Lie number one. Keep checking all of those purported Violations. They will be negated. Go represent yourself where you wish but only for you. Stop throwing the mud to see if it sticks.

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Lolita

Oct-11-13 3:41 PM

Did Sullivan sign the document or not? He said he didn't and Leetz said he didn't. Well...looks like this is opening a new can of worms. If they prove he did, oops, not good for him or Leetz. If he uses he doesn't recall, goodbye, or I sign so many documents, I don't remember, goodbye Should be interesting. This all pertains to a document signed by 7 Leetz wrote he refused to sign, had to with the Fire Assessment. Stay tuned.

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JMiehle

Oct-11-13 7:02 PM

The retired attorney, Diele, and Mayor Sullivan, they would be the same ones who sued the city, US, while in office and costing US about 80K before they backed out. Before backing out they tried to get the council to let their boy King decide whether to pay them or not. Then they spent thousands of our money trying to prove their personal vendetta against MWH that they claimed was crooked. That failed. Then the same retired attorney, the mayor and Leetz, claimed millions in the theft of gasoline from the city and spent thousands on that witch hunt then learned it was a computer glitch. Then the retired attorney wanted to fire some city employees for the outrageous act of going less than 100 feet out of the city to have lunch. Leetz has a habit of arriving late to council meetings and going home early to make up for it. He was censured by 300 firefighter groups in Florida for claiming experience as a fire fighter that he never had. YA, these guys are real heros.

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terrygolf1313

Oct-11-13 7:41 PM

we have to guess that this is only the beginning of the the hijack of the city by their little puppets,be ready for a police tax and then a city employee tax so that they can take money out of the tax payer pocket and put it into the union pocket,have fun cape coral because if not today but tomorrow we will join a lot of other citys in brokeville???

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Eileyn

Oct-11-13 8:11 PM

I call BS...I am for the assessment tax too. Deile et al, YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME.

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Lolita

Oct-11-13 8:25 PM

Just another Bill...No matter what, you still will not have been sued by the City. It's a bond validation hearing.

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CapeCoralCuestions

Oct-12-13 1:00 AM

Only Sulli and Leest were in court because they are the two fools who do not understand what a bond validation hearing is about. The rest of council was doing their job representing ALL the people. Perhaps the reason state officials ignored you Crane is because you are clearly a whack-a-doodle! The issue of a fire assessment has been on the table since last MARCH! During all those meetings and public discussions I’m sure intelligent people determined who was or was not in favor. “They committed a Sunshine Violation”: LIE. “The city is suing its citizens”: LIE. “The actions of RAGs is appreciated”: LIE. “Nesta is getting paid from the general fund or other city funds”: LIE. “We’ll be joining brokeville”: LIE.

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johngalt

Oct-12-13 8:59 AM

Fact; the State caps the millage rate for Counties & Municipalities. Fact; the “Save Our Homes” amendment to or State Constitution protects our homesteads from runaway taxable value increases. Fact; the city of Kape Koral is nearly a billion dollars in debt. Fact; rather than reducing liabilities/expenditures the City has chosen a questionable subversive method to bring in more $$$. Fact; upon examination of the deed to our property I see no restrictions, or covenants requiring special non-ad valorem annual assessments. There is a process whereby the city can petition the state to raise the millage rate, wonder why they did not chose that avenue???

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JustanotherBill

Oct-12-13 10:36 AM

All new taxes and tax increases should go to the ballot to let the voting and tax paying public decide. If it is necessary then the leaders will be able to sell the idea to the public. If not then they will have to make due with what they have. This would eliminate all the nonsense that is going on now. If it goes to the ballot then the majority rules and everyone else can shut the heck up.

One thing for sure is the City of Cape Coral is a train wreck!

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Raydunavant

Oct-12-13 12:00 PM

JohnGalt, The millage rate cap is 10%...we are far from it. I recently did some research and found dry vacant properties in the north paying as little as $33 in Cape Coral Taxes. With the Fire Assessment, they will participate more fully in supporting the needs of the City.

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rocco1

Oct-12-13 2:27 PM

Ray, what are the assessed values of these lots paying $33?

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Lolita

Oct-12-13 2:29 PM

Bill. I really believe you already know the system is created by the City Charter. We elect those to represent us and make policy. That's their job. Referdum items come forth when issues arise. If you want another form of government, start now, but think long and hard about the citizens always voting on everything. This it is chaotic now....wow. Good luck.

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johngalt

Oct-12-13 2:49 PM

What possible impact does a "dry vacant lot" in N.Cape have on the CCFD? What service does the CCFD provide to the owner of a "dry vacant lot"? How about this; 97% of the calls the CCFD responds to are not fire related. How about our multi-million dollar Royal Fire Houses?

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Lolita

Oct-12-13 3:06 PM

Just as a forest can catch fire, so can a so called dry lot. Just as disasters, sink holes, any disaster occurs, leaks etc. the CCFD and CCPD and hazard teams from both departments, children falling into deep holes, etc. they all respond. and...sir...your 97% is way out of whack and used for simply try to impress others. You are not happy, I respect that. But let's be fair, these responders go to work and never know if they will be maimed or unfortunately never return. They enter murky canal waters to try to save or retrieve. Be fair.

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CapeCoralCuestions

Oct-12-13 3:34 PM

Johngaul: LIAR! Your Billions of dollars of debt for Cape Coral is a compilation of ALL monies owed by the city for the next 25-30 years. That is like me saying I am $500,000 in debt because I have a mortgage, taxes, insurance and utilities for the next 25 years. How stupid do you think we are? You and your buddies want us to go into bankruptcy because once that happens, all issues regarding taxes and fees in the Cape will disappear and you will own your vacant lots and homes free and clear. You cheap miserable fraud!

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rocco1

Oct-12-13 3:47 PM

I understand the city covers a large area and that there are many empty lots in the city. So wanting the lots to contribute, i understand. But let's not pretend that vacant lots need fire protection. That is laughable.

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Haninginthere

Oct-12-13 7:59 PM

Somehow forcing the city leaders to put tax increases and new taxes on the ballot does seem like the best idea. The jokers we have now obviously can not handle the responsibilities they have operating this city especially the lazy bums that raised my taxes because they don’t want to put forth the effort to find ways to operate more efficiently. This is the first city I have lived in that I have felt the need to pay much attention to what the city is doing since they are always trying to stick it to me. I pay plenty of taxes and the city has a large budget, so if the leaders we have can not find a way to operate with the revenue they have then they need to step aside so someone that knows what they are doing can.

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