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It’s all in the numbers

September 27, 2013

To the editor: With all the recent letters bashing the City Council, what really pertains to the average voter (myself) is the number 6-2. This is a typical vote of Council....

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Sep-27-13 11:48 AM

Mr. Cammarota I agree with your feelings of the city council now supposedly representing us.

I do want to make a point about considerations for more real business in Cape Coral.

The distribution on tax revenue to the city is provided by the residential homes at a rate of 92% and commercial/business at 8%.

The residential homes subsidize businesses by footing most of their cost on solid waste/trash removal. Not to mention the fact that residential even subsidizes commercial sewer costs.

How much more does a residential population need to provide for a business to flourish and prosper with a spending base of 157,000 full time residents?

The Federal Government says without a 30% business base this city will never successfully build out to 430,000 residents.

How many residents have to seek employment of any value in Ft. Myers or even Naples?

More restaurants, retail, or city government jobs is not the answer either.

They ran a boat builder with 500 good paying jobs

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Sep-27-13 11:56 AM

Shamrock Marine is now in Houston, Texas providing still a quality product along with an expanded commercial line of sea vessels.

Oh for 500 light clean industrial jobs based on piece work and quality control bonuses. How many other businesses did it take to support a company like this?

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Sep-27-13 6:53 PM

Shamrock Marine left because there was no market for their boats here. The majority of boat buyers in Florida, fish inshore shallow waters. Those boats drew too much with the inboard keel drive. I, personally loved the boats, but did not fit with the fishing that is done inshore. Even in Ft. Lauderdale, at the boat show, there was very little interest in them. The city did not run them out of the city. The market and the economy did that.

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Sep-27-13 7:20 PM

Now Grumpy, don't disagree with the anointed one , Dimbulb, who most think is a certain bombastic former council member and nude model...YAK!

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Sep-27-13 7:27 PM

Funny I never hear the same complaint regarding the two solid years of 5-3 votes which took place weekly. It appears as long as a sitting Council votes the way YOU would, any vote tally is fine. That is what is called a hypocrite.

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Sep-27-13 7:30 PM

Switchy why did you not sight the same numbers when your sainted Fab 5 were calling the shots? Surely this didn't happen overnight. It's strange how you never ever seem to want to answer that one very simple question.......isn't it?

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Sep-27-13 7:35 PM

Two words Switchy "San Souci". Many Many jobs gone in the blink of an eye due to a Fab 5 dominated vote. A water main which would have run the entire northern length of the city at no cost to the residents paid for by the contractor. Oh, and let's not forget the multi-million dollar lawsuit the city is on the hook for, (that just got the go ahead to proceed in court from a sitting Judge), that your sainted Fab 5 left us with due to poor advice from their "experts". Yeah, they did real well for us citizens. What will your end of a 4-6 million dollar tab be on a lawsuit payout? I just hope it comes in that LOW!!!

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Sep-27-13 9:26 PM

FYI. The original Shamrock was sold to Westmar. They went bankrupt five years later. The assets were re-purchased by a west coast family, moved to the Carolinas and went bust again. When it was locally owned it was a good employer and profitable. They grew here in spite of the city not because of it.

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Sep-27-13 11:03 PM

There did not have to be boat buyers here in Cape Coral. Like most of the boat manufacturers they ship them to markets all over the continent. The fact is the city had a manufacturer in the boat building business that built their business to include 500 well paid private employees. The city did not seek a replacement when they knew the market segment that had the capability to generate jobs add local regional flavor to every boat show etc..

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Sep-27-13 11:07 PM

San Succi? Who was the councilman in that district at the time? Was it noit Kevin fast forward McGrail?

Most of you poster on this site were having a fit with whether the owner could make it work. I suggested if it did not it would make a fine assisted living facility in district 6.

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Sep-27-13 11:14 PM

Correction onlythetruth. McGrail opposed San Souci. Deile was in favor of it. I'm pretty sure Donnell opposed it too.

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Sep-27-13 11:20 PM

My Sainted FAB 5 found out the city was out of money. Handed a credit rating in 2010 that had been run into the ground from an A to a D rating. And who was the mayor none other than Burch with city manager Stewart. It has all been shown, stated and fact. If you can't recall then use the archives of the Breeze and the News-Press, even the Associated Press. Better yet this current council has OVERTAXED its residents and has turned the futuristic Cape Coral into a land of renters (the new serfs). But we have seen that show play out in history before and it will again but at a very local level. The serfs and serfs to be are just about ready to see how the Utility Tax on ENERGY, the Fire Assessment Tax, and the rise in real estate tax reduces their expendable income to a point where they will not afford the goods & services in many small businesses. Welcome to the New Ghetto as foretold by New Yorker Magazine. Cape Coral's commerce = its local government!

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Sep-27-13 11:22 PM

Thank you Rocco 1.

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Sep-28-13 7:39 AM

Donzi, WellCraft and Proline all left Florida too. The economy overall did not help. It was not just the city's fault these companies left. Most went to the Carolinas. 500 well paid positions at Shamrock? Right. That's why when they offered my husband a job he turned them down. Wouldn't even get out of bed for that ridiculous labor wage. The marine industry took a hard hit a few years ago. Had NOTHING to do with the City of Cape Coral, it had everything to do with the Great Recession and Florida's over all market. Marine Concepts was smart, they adapted to market changes.

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Sep-28-13 10:05 AM

"They ran a boat builder out with 500 good paying jobs"

@Dimwit... specifically who is this "they" that you are referencing?

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Sep-28-13 11:34 AM

lightswitchI I wasn't talking specifically about Cape Coral when it came to Shamrock. Most people buy a boat by price, not brand or quality. Every boat builder ships to other states. How many Shamrock, Wellcraft and Proline boats do you see in Florida. Not too many for sure. I am in the minority as far as boat owners go. I own a Proline and purchased it because of their reputation.

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Sep-28-13 12:06 PM

Great If San Souci didn't work, then Bulb would make it a "fine assistant living". Right there on the preserve that is destined, in just a few short years to take over much of that land. Great idea.

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Sep-28-13 5:49 PM

VOTE FOR SULLIVAN, LEETZ, HEADD AND WILLIAMS to get balance and common sense on the Council!

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Sep-28-13 7:35 PM

Which is exactly the reason I said Fab 5 "dominated" vote Rocco. I in no way stated it was the usual suspects in the vote, just that the final tally was Fab 5 dominated.

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Sep-29-13 12:30 PM

Bulb: Familiar quote by you and others for many many years. The need to go from 92% residential and 8% residential to a much better number. It is still the cry today, with no one person ever coming up with a solution, even you. I am sure you will provide us with some newspaper article, etc. to cloud the issue. No real answers just promises.

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Sep-29-13 12:31 PM

Switch: Before you jump up it should have read 8% commercial. Take a deep breath.

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Sep-29-13 3:43 PM

Bulb: So...we should pay attention to what the Federal Government says that "without a 30% business base,this city will never successfully build out to 430,000 residents. The Feds are so successful today when they threaten everyone's jobs because they fail to communicate with each other. Great, wonderful role models?? They can't even talk with each other so why should we believe that they even made that statement. SAWICKI FOR MAYOR, LEON FOR DISTRICT 4.

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Sep-29-13 7:32 PM

Poor Lynn...she misses being a RAG groupies so they give you free Marlboros?

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