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August 16, 2013

To the editor: I just received an offer in the mail that I wish to pass on to those Cape Coral residents that missed it....

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Packer

Aug-16-13 6:34 AM

Donald, do you draw a pension?

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onlythetruth

Aug-16-13 7:29 AM

Two Words: Rhode Island

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terrygolf1313

Aug-16-13 2:27 PM

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A UNION PUPPET?? MAKE SURE THE UNIONS ARE TAKEN CARE OF AND WHO CARES ABOUT THE TAX PAYERS???

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onlythetruth

Aug-16-13 7:26 PM

MrCommonSense, after reading all your comments regarding union raises, perks etc I decided to do some research. Here's what I discovered; city employees have had 2 pay cuts and a pay freeze for the last 5 years,(no increases at all). They have also increased their contributions into the pension fund twice over the same 5 years. This is a matter of public record. So, tell me where they are fattening up? I found this out in one hour, so you are either lying through your teeth, or are simply oblivious to the real situation. Please explain. Oh, you too TerryGolf1313.

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1sandy

Aug-16-13 8:11 PM

@onlythetruth: Put "MrNoCommonSense" on the pay no mind list. Every blog has its share of trolls, he is ours. Most, not all of what he say are out in out lies. He has NO credibility.

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lightswitch

Aug-16-13 9:39 PM

The rest of the world was not getting raises. Pensions we have discussed before. They put very little into the pension and come out making way ahead of those that put 6.5% into social security witha 6.5% match by the employer. When they draw on that social security they do not receive 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%, 50%, 40% many are lucky to receive 30% of their last year's wages. Many save 100% of a 401k plan and have NO Guaranteed yearly increase as government pensions. Until we all get on the same page I will not cease to comment on this inadequacy.

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lightswitch

Aug-16-13 9:49 PM

Rhode Island got it correct, Pawtucket, Central Falls, and Providence the state's Capital filed for bankruptcy protection. State provided a receiver. The receiver cut staff, cut pensions in half, took over paying the bills etc. They fired all public school teachers and administrators on one day and rehired them if they chose to take the jobs. All this was in getting existing revenues inline with expenditures. They had chances negotiate but refused. To quote 2 fireman sitting in a meeting in Central Falls, RI.. "If we only knew it was going to come to this we would have voted differently in the negotiations." Too bad boys! 2 words Little Rhody. Much littler today.

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lightswitch

Aug-16-13 9:52 PM

Can anyone tell me after a catastrophe like this those cities are STILL in operation.

That is called "cut the fat".

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CapeCoralCuestions

Aug-17-13 3:40 AM

Donnie-boy. Thank heaven you were fired from FinComm! Your math is as fuzzy as always. You and your selfish, nasty, RAG-o-phites have been honking like tired old geese on this issue so long that you are now merely ridiculous and worse than that---BORING! You are that annoying background noise like static on a radio. Unions in this City had valid contracts, agreed to forego and give up the raises they were due AND take PAY CUTS three years in a row! FACT. The Unions are paying more for their healthcare with fewer benefits and paying 10% into pensions. They have given back increases for training and certifications. There is virtually NO overtime. What more do you want? Their first-born child? You calling Szerlag names stems from jealousy that he is 10 times the CM that old King ever THOUGHT of being!

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CapeCoralCuestions

Aug-17-13 4:02 AM

Litwitch: You just don’t get it! (A) THIS IS NOT RHODE ISLAND!! (Don’t forget McKiernan was once the TREASURER for the STATE Of RHODE ISLAND so he might have aided in the demise) And (B) we DID cut the fat: King ($137,000 plus bonuses and incentives and percs), Kuen, Brand, Dillie, ($16,000 each) Consultants Toeller and Martin ($120,000), the useless ineffectual overpaid CRA head Jacobsen ($125,000), and McKiernan, Davies, FAC etc (FREE but you get what you pay for), at least a half-dozen consultants the Mayor yammered for, the special counsel for union bargaining ($150,000). How’s zat? AND best of all---- in November we will toss out Sully and Leest (only $16,000 per, but every penny counts).

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onlythetruth

Aug-17-13 8:11 AM

Once again, you are patently wrong Switchy. The employees contribute close to 11% of their pay into the pension. So to state that they contribute very little is blatantly false.

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netransplant

Aug-17-13 12:42 PM

Let us remember that this author had the fiduciary responsibilities in Rhode Island when things started going bad, then left with his fat state pension and ended up here and pretended to know how to fix it! Don is possibly partly responsible for Rhode Islands problems. Do we need the same thing from him here? I think not!

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netransplant

Aug-17-13 12:45 PM

With new forward looking blood on the council the remaining RAGS can follow their friend "show me the overtime" Mike to Sarasota!

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terrygolf1313

Aug-17-13 5:59 PM

2 PAY CUTS AND A PAY FREEZE BIG DEAL,I WILL BET ALL THE FOLKS THAT LOST THEIR JOBS OR HOMES WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT DEAL BUT YET YOU CRY ABOUT IT AND PARADE FIREMEN IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL WITH THE WHOA IS ME.WE NEED TO CUT THE BUDGET NOT ADD TO IT AND THE BEST PLACE TO START IS RIGHT AT CITY HALL

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linda53

Aug-17-13 9:01 PM

Lightswitch.....we know you will never cease to comment. Thats ok, we ceased to listen a long time ago. terry....your cart needs charged.

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lightswitch

Aug-17-13 10:17 PM

CapeCuestions if you call the SUPRESSION of the Finance Advisory Committee being fired you are as usual out of touch.

A moron like you is holding Don accountable for the individual cities in Rhode Island? Central Falls, Pawtucket and Providence filed bankruptcy because of the state. I don' think so.

The Unions put them in chapter 11. The state is not in Chapter 11 and that is who Don worked for.

The Finance Advisory Committee was a thorn in the city's side. They question how the figures of the budget did not line up and how their accounting practices were so primitive if existent at all. That was confirmed by the states Auditor General. If that is not so why was Szerlag running around when he first got here to correct what had not been finished by Gary Kinf the former city manager who discovered even more than the Auditor General turned up. If there was no problem why was Szerlag quoted in the media of stating the PROBLEMS were fixed? Although I do question what he says day t

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lightswitch

Aug-17-13 10:28 PM

Since the chief is retiring and is one of the top administrators in the city.

Why does the city not provide the media all the payouts and perks and amount of the retirement package.

Let the people be the judge. They know it is a pressure cooker job and there is many years of service involved.

But let the public see inside these pensions. And stop giving the people the BS of base salaries when there are special pay, overtime, uniform and equipment wages involved in the pay.

Tell the people how a special duty detail is paid by a private company hiring our officer with our equipment and the city bills the company. However the best part is if the private company stiffs the payment the city pays the officer. I bet the city does not chase the private company very hard as it does not chase other deadbeats in this city.

Bye the way did the city ever collect the $900 water/sewer bill from the scum couple who went to council meetings twice to get a lecture.

They let Dad go back

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onlythetruth

Aug-18-13 8:25 AM

TerryGolf1313, please enlighten all of us and tell us what you believe the city employees should be paid and what type of benefit package they should be offered. I would be very interested to see your line of thought on this matter.

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onlythetruth

Aug-18-13 8:30 AM

MrCommonSense, I see you can't adequately answer my question. You have once again resorted to name calling to deflect from the fact you spew falsehoods. You claimed they were fattening up, it has been shown they are clearly not. Yet, you don't have the stones, or the class, to admit when you are wrong.

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johngalt

Aug-18-13 9:12 AM

The city workers are paid by the community. Their pay should be in-line with median income of the gainfully employed within the community! (Benefits & pensions too) Would someone please write an ordinance that limits the pay of city workers to the median income of those employed in the private sector! If all we have is a service type local economy, our city employees should be paid accordingly. If they wish to move “up market”, inspire them to apply in a higher median income county.

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Packer

Aug-18-13 12:49 PM

I would be in agreement with that. In fact, if they ever do that I am shutting down my business and going full time with the city. In my field City workers are paid half what they are per hour. I agree.

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CapeCoralCuestions

Aug-18-13 1:08 PM

CLASS WARFARE!! All the RAG posters have a common theme: blame the 1,200 city workers (not all are IN a union---this is a Right-To-Work State). Are RAGs suggesting that those 1,200 workers should support the 165,000 city? The oath “To Protect and Serve” or term “Public Servant” does NOT mean a lower class or servitude. We no longer have a ‘Servant Class’ in this country, or indentured servants, and Lincoln freed the slaves. Having a boat-load of money does NOT entitle RAGs to threaten, belittle, menace, and condemn their fellow citizens! Now we have people claiming that THEY are the judge of how much and when our employees should be paid! Shame on YOU, RAGs!!! J.Sulivan, C.Leest, B&JDille, P.Brand,S.Crane,T.Elia,L.Rosko,A.Kempe,W.Towler,B.Barnes,W.McManus,S. Lovejoy, J&P.Martin,R.Moody,E.Kuen,J.Rose,M.Stout,Willilams,C.Cambell,J.Cataldi,R.McKiernan, CapeCoral Republican Club, SWCCNA, J.Rupolo (fired from Fox4), CapCapeTaxes! SHAME!

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johngalt

Aug-18-13 3:29 PM

Seems like a straightforward proposition. If the median income of employed persons in the city is say $31,000 that should be the cap on all city employees. The net effect would be a city gov. that would be truly business friendly with lower tax rates. The more prosperous it’s citizenry the more $$ for city wages and salaries. Identify all households with at least one income earner, (outside of gubmit, banking, insurance, & those that make more than 30% of their gross from gubmint contracts) and do the math. ‘can’t imagine anyone being opposed to it…. (outside of gubmint, banking, insurance, & gubmint contractors)

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LynnRosko

Aug-18-13 4:30 PM

CapeCoralCustions: CapeCoralCuestions, if as you state I have a boat load of money, please be so kind s to point me to it. It really would come in handy!

Furthermore, when did I ever say or write about employees and how much and when they should be paid. NEVER you simple minded nitwit!

Come on CapeCoralCuestions or as some have said Charlie, get some gonads and post under your real name.

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lightswitch

Aug-18-13 7:20 PM

I just got a look at the city's 2013/2014 budget as proposed by the city manager via city council.

Wait till the people get a look at the wages for the police and 242 sworn officers plus support staff. Then take a gander at the wages of the fire department for about 250 fire fighters or is it medical technicians. The support staff. Total $153 million plus.

The poor souls we read only get in the police dept $34,000 (that is the base salary). Pull up the totals off the internet by name.

This stuck out like a sore thumb in a city that is BROKE. Do the right thing program $72,000 or $6,000 a month. But this is not hidden in the big number I bet because they want to say we cut the program. If at all. This is only an example of what the taxpayers are having to deal with in the big numbers. $153 million in just wages? And we know they allowed the equipment to fail not because it is old because they allowed the fleet dept. to not service it and or them to report it was not ser

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