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Devil is in the details

August 9, 2013

To the editor: This past Tuesday the 6th I attended a candidate’s forum at the Dublin Ale House....

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CapeCoralCuestions

Aug-18-13 2:00 PM

PM Agree | Disagree CLASS WARFARE!! All the RAG posters have a common theme: blame the 1,200 city workers (not all are IN a union--this is a Right-To-Work State).Are RAGs suggesting that those 1,200 workers should support the 165,000 city? The oath “To Protect and Serve” or term “Public Servant” does NOT mean a lower class or servitude. We no longer have a ‘Servant Class’ in this country, or indentured servants, and Lincoln freed the slaves. Having a boat-load of money does NOT entitle RAGs to threaten, belittle, menace, and condemn their fellow citizens! Now we have people claiming that THEY are the judge of how much and when our employees should be paid! Shame on YOU, RAGs!!! J.Sulivan, C.Leest, B&JDille, P.Brand,S.Crane,T.Elia,L.Rosko,A.Kempe,W.Towler,B.Barnes,W.McManus,S. Lovejoy, J&P.Martin,R.Moody,E.Kuen,J.Rose,M.Stout,Willilams,C.Cambell,J.Cataldi,R.McKiernan, CapeCoral Republican Club, SWCCNA, J.Rupolo (fired from Fox4), CapCapeTaxes,JohnGalt, Litswitch,CertainSmile,et

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Lolita

Aug-14-13 11:47 AM

Ahh...Sense is incensed because Switch seems to have switched so...now Sense calls Switch Bipolar. So much fun watching this.

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onlythetruth

Aug-14-13 5:50 AM

MrCommonSense, it seems you have been trying in vain to deflect from the point I have made that the author included an opinion and presented it as fact at the tail end of factual data in an attempt to equate one to the other. Funny how you won't comment on that. Getting back to your last statement to me, who will be in judgement of John Szerlag to determine "his lies" as you claim, you? I see you are following the Road Ahead handbook to a "T".

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onlythetruth

Aug-12-13 6:14 AM

MrCommonSense, it is markedly easy to spot an individual whose argument is lacking, (or made to intentionally lack), in factual back-up. They often resort to insults in an attempt to make their point. I merely pointed out a misstatement of fact in the LTE. The problem is that the author has a history of misstating facts in order to enhance his point of view or argument. That's how it's done...throw out a legitmate fact or two, then mix vigorously with non-facts to make it appear as if it is all factual. Much like your attempts at debating.

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Packer

Aug-12-13 5:29 AM

401k is a failed experiment brought to us by the IRS. It came out of tax code changes in 1978. I am not in favor of asking city employees to go into a failed idea. Does reform need to continue? Absolutely, but not in the form of a proven failure such as 401k. The fact that the IRS came up with it should be the warning sign. 401k works well for high income and fails for lower income. A great start would be enacting the death penalty to those who steal or cause an organizations pension to fail. Currently... We do nothing!

I took the time to read a ton on this subject when the economy collapsed.

Time for Finance experts to design new plans and ideas for our future world. We have many failed ideas to look at when they build those ideas, so we know what doesn't work. Yes lightswitch they should be the same. As long as it isn't a con job.

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lightswitch

Aug-11-13 9:42 PM

Commonsense shows not much of it. There is a difference between some and none. All public staff needs a pension, social security, or whatever name you need to call it. What has occurred across the country is unlike social security where the worker puts in 6.5% and a match by the employer to payout a fraction of what public pensions have grown to. They need to match payout benefits. The federal government came up with the con job 401K for example with maybe up to a 10% match. Most of these have evaporated to Zero. The workers put into their fund 100% in most cases. While some companies do not even have a program. There are no guarantees on return, no minimums, no automatic 3% increase on a yearly bases into the retirement by the governing agency. THEY NEED TO BE THE SAME FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYEES!

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Packer

Aug-11-13 8:37 PM

Senseless that is the problem with your cause. You want to complain and whine and never offer a viable solution. Then when folks call you out the best you can do is post useless and empty arguments that carry no weight. Combined with what is clearly homophobia. That based on the comments aimed towards women earlier. Perhaps a walk on the wild side would do you some good.

I have no problem with positive organizations such as the CCCIA or Joe M, or any other group that actively moves forward with ideas and supports local business. What you call special interest I call people involved in there community. They have no special power nor do they own anyone. The secret is they are involved. Only one with basic common sense would see that.

It is not fudge packer BTW it is Fudge distribution professional. If you are going to hurl names at least get it right!

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1sandy

Aug-11-13 3:19 PM

When you all go to the polls, remember, ANYONE BUT SULLIVAN!

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Packer

Aug-11-13 11:47 AM

Hey senseless.... Ba ha ha ha... You just proved my point LOL. All you can do is whine and complain. The best you can come up with is name calling and insults when people call you out. Classic Local tea flavored Kool aid gargling and amusingly enough gagging. You can hate the working class all you want. It is not going to help us by punishing the little people.

City employees work for the City Manager, whom is hired by the council. If you do not like Szerlag then run for council and bring new ideas. Or you can do what you always do and just complain.

As a local contractor I make more money in private industry then I ever could in government. Folks who choose the Government route choose benefits over Salary. That accounts for roughly .98 of our city employees. You senselessly try to bring 100% of our employees for the salaries of .02 of those employed by the City. Classic RAG tactics.... Failed and unproven

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johngalt

Aug-11-13 11:39 AM

Anyone that works for, manages, or operates a small business in Kape Koral that reads Mr. Deile's succinct summary and is not made physically ill by these facts either has poor English comp. skills or has already applied for a city job. This agreement has as much benefit to the local economy and social contract as staging car crashes for insurance pay-offs or giving SSI Disability payments to the chronically unemployed. Would someone please write an ordinance that limits the pay of city workers to the median income of those employed in the private sector! If all we have is a service type local economy, our city employees should be paid accordingly. If they wish to move “up market” , inspire them to apply in a higher median income county.

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1sandy

Aug-11-13 10:17 AM

@MrNOCommonSense: You said, "some of us are working jobs far below where we used to be or 2/3 part time jobs to get by with no bennies," Ah, JEALOUSY finally rears its ugly head. You see Mr.NOCommonSense, it is about life's choices. That's right, when the economy went into the tank, construction, tourism and real estate, etc. went with it. Those individuals who worked as first responders & in core City services kept their jobs, Cities even hired more because crime began going up and insurance fraud via arson also skyrocketed. And now, those of you who have taken a financial hit, well, they don't like being the only ones in the barrel, those people want ALL to be in the barrel too...ain't going to happen. But the truth be told, there are only 2 percent more people unemployed then there have been, on average, for the last 50 years. You see, 5.5 percent is the acceptable percentage, in the real financial world.

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Packer

Aug-11-13 8:57 AM

I love today's "conservative" they complain about folks not willing to work... Yet they do not want to compensate those who do. They complain about pensions... As long as you don't look at the one they draw. They complain about immigration as long as it doesn't take the guy that mows there yard. Hypocrisy hypocrisy hypocrisy....

The Republican Party I believe in represented and defended the working man... Today's local version wants nothing more than minimum wage drones... Ain't gonna happen!

Billy you failed and whatever hate and hypocrisy you wish to spread is fine... At the end of the day everyday the same fact will always remain... You failed!

Mr senseless... You attacked OTT for pointing out a fact... Is your cause so warped that it can't survive without lies? You mentioned private sector jobs. It is your fault for letting it get that way. Shame on you for that! If you are going to attack bring facts, one who has to attack ALWAYS is scared and walks on a soft founda

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grumpy19

Aug-10-13 7:22 PM

MrCommonSense: what juicy raise are you alluding to? How about all of the years that city employees did not get a raise? I feel many deserve a raise, but what they got is not a juicy one. The 5% bonus they were given, is a one time bonus. It is not counting toward any future raises. This bonus is given because they agreed to pension reforms. I certainly don't agree with these new taxes. Szerlag is known for spending and raises taxes on those who can least afford them. The problem now is, the Cape has a tax and spend slick six on the council.

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1sandy

Aug-10-13 5:55 PM

@MrNOCommonSense: Yep, we are soooo stupid that we sent the entire RAG political ensemble to the showers in the last election and we will finish the job this election, tax raise or no tax raise, and YOU know it. Bwahahahaha!

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Raydunavant

Aug-10-13 11:40 AM

Mr Common Sense...you should have your eyes examined!

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linda53

Aug-10-13 9:00 AM

Bill. Thank you for your accurate breakdown of the progression of the pension reforms that you, as council person, could not achieve. The closest you could come was spending hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on a by-the-hour lawyer/headhunter who had no interest in resolution of differences. These reforms are true, forward progression into a path of mutual understanding and co-operation. Are they the entire answer, of course not, it will take years and hard work to achieve the final balance. But it is an actual starting point. Something you and yours could not come close to, by choice. I am sure Mr. Szerlag appreciates your support.

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onlythetruth

Aug-10-13 7:30 AM

Information presented only aids in one's ability to make an informed decision if it is accurate. Speaking/writing eloquently doesn't necessarily mean what is being presented is correct, just that the packaging is meant to be a distraction. After some minor research I have discovered the taxes being raised in no way contribute to the bonus written about in this LTE, the money used to pay the bonus is the savings generated by the restructuring of the retirement package itself. So, once again, good subject, well written, not accurate. Hmmm, where have we seen this before.

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linda53

Aug-10-13 7:27 AM

did anyone notice that Bill was wearing one of those capcapetax t-shirts,which makes him,imo, part of the sickos that was following the summer camp kids and taking their pics at the movie theater, two months ago. Its amazing that Lovejoy was not sporting his but he understands that the parents and grandparents are still upset by his gangs actions in using innocent children to bash city workers,who were just doing their job.Since Deile is back into writing his letters maybe he can explain his actions while representing the citizens in this city.. starting with the name calling and why he dropped his UEP lawsuit when it came to the point of where he and sullivan had to pay out of thier own pockets.the $80,000 it cost the city/taxpayers meant nothing to them.

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rocco1

Aug-09-13 10:44 PM

I found the letter more informational in nature than adversarial. Many of us have heard of the pension reforms, but I would guess most have no idea of the inner details. Mr Deile provided a concise summary that is easy to digest, with little commentary. I understand the source will cause some to complain no matter what the content, but there is nothing wrong with providing inner details of the reforms the city is making. It is also true that this council and city manager have taken a step in controlling the legacy costs. Whether it is enough, remains to be seen.

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1sandy

Aug-09-13 9:18 PM

Oh yes, personal attacks, we were all warned weren't we. The RAGs still haven't learned, but that's ok, come this election the rest of the swamp gets drained and the final 2 serpents will be gone. After Sullivan get voted out we probably will have to put up with him dragging his fat derrier up to the podium to cry about whatever...it will be worht it.

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Lolita

Aug-09-13 7:39 PM

Bill knows all, however, too bad he didn't stay focused on council towards any good solutions he may have had instead of the constant bashing he gives everyone. He really wanted a second chance to show us what he could do....nothing again.

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KirstenThompson

Aug-09-13 6:51 PM

I see that we have a new 'the sky is falling' Chicken Little...

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1sandy

Aug-09-13 3:57 PM

Billy, as far as the devil being in the details, the devils were voted out last election...that being said, if and when each contract is up for negotiation, you will now be able to point to that negotiation and you will say "it is possible that we will see an erosion that will reduce the anticipated future savings." This statement panders to those of you that are ill over the fact that any pension progress has been made. It also hopes to put the City administration on notice that as soon as any deviation to this pension agreement is changed in the future that may favor the employee, you and your ilk will get out your poison pens and begin you writings to the LTE. But here is a question that must be answered, during the 2 years that you and your cabal controlled the City Council, can you point to the OPEB and pension problems you resolved? You and the other clowns on the FAC ran around yelling about the problems, but resolved NOTHING!

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Lolita

Aug-09-13 2:44 PM

ccRider:

Well said.

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rocco1

Aug-09-13 2:02 PM

That is a very nice summary. Appreciate the analysis.

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