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June 7, 2013

To the editor: City Hall at it again, more fees for fire services....

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Jun-07-13 7:11 AM

Ok Roy, the reason the equipment you mention is taken to the scene is due to the fact the first responders need to be prepared for every eventuality of that potential scene. They do not know if injuries exist or not, if there will be a fire in one of the vehicles or not, or hazrdous fluids in the roadway. Many times the initial caller has reposted no injuries, only for the first responders to discover injuries were indeed present. Those individuals were quite relived the responders were on scene, with the proper equipment to attend their needs. Just as YOU would be if it were you in one of "those" accidents you mention.

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Jun-07-13 12:37 PM

You would rather have them sit in the firehouse and play cards? I would rather have them on the scene in the event of a cardiac arrest, to cut a trapped motorist from the car, to remove a vehicle from a pedestrian and be on site in the event a fire should start as a result of the fuel leakage...if and when they are not needed, they would return to the firehouse...if there is a call for fire service, they would get on the truck and proceed to the fire. It is a win, win for all taxpayers...or would you rather have them back at the firehouse polishing the truck?

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Jun-07-13 2:55 PM


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Jun-07-13 3:14 PM

Roy, I disagree, I like having all of that trained medical personnel on scene. I prefer they keep doing what they are doing. For you it is all about criticizing them until it is you or one of your loved ones.

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Jun-07-13 7:35 PM

Have you seen the statistics? If the number fire responses are remotely related to the number of actual fires; one can only conclude that Kape Koral homes are made out of gasoline! Sending a hook & ladder to every heart attack is about making the fire dept. absolutely indispensable. Sure, they sit around for 36 hours per shift waiting for a fire, that looks bad to tax payers so let us send them on every call and then their numbers look great! Soon we’ll send the City maintenance crews, utility workers, and maybe the head of P & Z on each 911 call. You might even need to apply for a permit prior to calling 911!

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Jun-07-13 9:20 PM

@johngalt: One day you will be laying on the floor looking up at the spinning ceiling fan, with this burning, twisting pain in your chest and realize that any moment a City employee, assigned to the fire department, will come running into your home, get down on his knees and get close enough to your chest for you to hear, so long AH! Bwahahahaha!

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Jun-07-13 11:08 PM

Another reason to consider... Our fire stations are not staffed with multiple crews. While out on one call that turns out to be nothing more than a glass sweeping venture, another call could come in for a house fire, brush fire, etc. Is it better they are prepared with the equipment they need to respond ASAP? Or delay their response to return the pickup truck and exchange it for a fire truck?

CCFD does not operate any differently than any other fire department throughout the country. They all operate in accordance with national standards. Why people armchair quarterback a profession they know nothing about boggles my mind. I wouldn't think to question why a plumber uses a pipe wrench instead of a drum tap wrench, or why a professor uses one textbook over another, or why an accountant uses Sage 50 instead of Quickbooks...

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Jun-07-13 11:46 PM

Roy obviously doesn't understand how things work. So instead of educating themselves stupid just comments.

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Jun-08-13 4:53 AM

@johngalt Continued: But that won't happen. These brave & dedicated "public servants" will begin to do what they have been trained to do and that is to save your life just like any other resident, not knowing or caring who "johngalt" is or that he denigrates, every week on this blog, the hardworking employees of this City. Sleep well "johngalt."

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Jun-08-13 8:51 AM

no terry just regular citizens that care about the safety of their city.why dont you give us your solutions to provide a better quality of life for our families? curious in exactly how you can accomplished it without the city employees help. Privatizing didn't work,as it was proven in the past.Resulted in costing the taxpayers more in the long run.As for Roy, all you have stated in you letter is your opinion and everyone knows how opinions go

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Jun-08-13 9:32 AM

So to recap; criticizing the unions for their budget excesses is an act of sedition, right? To ask them to carry on without more taxes is heresy. The only people expected to carry on with less are the taxpayers. What was said during the PST debate? Oh yeah, “Just the cost of a pizza”. Or more accurately “just the cost of your co-pay on your Lipitor”, Or “Just the cost of your co-pay to visit your primary care physician” Or “Just the cost of a bottle of low dose aspirin”. Criticism=terrorist :(

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Jun-08-13 10:46 AM

Instead of building $5 million firehouses if $250,000 houses were built as in Charlotte County we would have had a smaller budget and a plan to replace aging equipment.

How are those commercial Vulcan stoves that ran better than $5,000 working out?

The firehouse that was torn down did they ever try a couple of (FIRE) cats? Not to mention reliable pest control company or just keeping the place clean in the first place?

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Jun-08-13 11:00 AM

Kristen. Clearly they are not running the same as other communities. Because if they were we would not have the problems here that we do.

Remember when the equipment replacement was brought to the forefront? Trucks not being maintained supposedly by fleet maintenance dept. and firefighters not reporting or complaining about the equipment.

Remember the chief coming in front of city council with a clip board to detail problems starting then about equipment?

Never once did he return with a report about problems.

Almost everyone knew about the set up that was going to take place.

Fire Budget before the clip board $25 million. Last budget $29 million. Budget for 3023 -2014 $33.4 million.

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Jun-08-13 12:56 PM

The RAGs are truly running scared. They had their team led by Diele who they felt was thee best educate & experienced orator and they still got their****handed to them. Now what? Is Leetz and dopey Sullivan their last shot? Well folks, it is time to drain the rest of the swamp.

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Jun-08-13 5:51 PM

LS, your opinion on fire department operations means very little to me or others. Your opinions are based on assumptions, not facts, not studies, not data from other fire departments across the country. You just THINK you know what you are talking about.

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Jun-08-13 7:47 PM

Here are some more assumtions.

Fire Assessment tier 1 $ 97.00 per home tier 2 $220.00 per home

Utility Tax 7% $150.00 to $300.00

Tax due to rise in home value city manager stated $1.2 million per home?

Reduce millage by 1 point city manager stated it was worth an $8 million reduction.

The U.S. Census bureau report shows they visited 80,000 homes.

Here is an assumption.

Fire Assessment over $12 million

Utility Tax $20 million homes & 13,000 businesses $11 million

Then when the TRIM notice comes out in July you will see the true tax increase on the 5.6% increase.

Let's see if the Lee County assessor spits out the number of homes and businesses along with some type of estimate.

Let's see if Lee County Electric shows us the number of residential and commercial customers and what this &% tax will bring in based on real figures.

Then let's go to the polls and see how we want

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Jun-08-13 8:07 PM

The figure for $1.2 million is a total and NOT Per Home. But if there are 80,000 homes it would be $15 or that McGrail pizza. But add the additional tax and you will see it is more the the $16 Pizza even with the drop THIS YEAR of 1 point on the millage rate. Again your city Manager John Szerlag stated it is $8 million for each 1 point reduction of the millage rate. When this is all said and done I am betting your last year cape coral bill will be $200 to $500 more, not including County or school requirements.

"McClain's words. "The city is not out to break the rate payers," nor the homeowners, nor the churches and institutions." McGrail echoed this at a latter meeting speaking to the churches and institutions.

Szerlag watched a movie before he went to the special meeting. He came away with name rank and serial #. Another was "I am not going to answer the question but recite the City Charter. Sort of like a filibuster, talking over the person questioning hi

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Jun-08-13 8:09 PM

Who is going to try this with their boss or bosses at work and get away with it?

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Jun-08-13 8:14 PM

City manager based the Fire Assessment on the budget figure of $33.4 million. It was posted on the screen in council chambers!

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Jun-08-13 10:00 PM

@lightswitch: Your twisted lies and fabications are being seen through. You have NO credibility left, so stop the RAGs full court lying press.

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Jun-09-13 12:48 AM

Spegele: “better to be a fool in silence than to speak and remove all doubt.” Obviously you are in Cape for two years or you have had your ears up your colon along with the rest of your head! RAGs took away the rescue (pickup) trucks to save money. They left one crew on duty per house per shift. That leaves ladders and pumpers to respond. If you are the unlucky guy who calls second, well, you come SECOND! Ambulances come from LEE COUNTY. They come whenever they are available after attending accidents before yours, hospital transfers, critical patient transfers, etc. All CCFD responders are advanced life-support trained. If you really think CCFD personnel are a waste, DO NOT, repeat DO NOT dial 911!!! Wait for the ambulance from south Fort Myers! FGCU did a study SIX YEARS AGO showing that the city got more savings and more bang-for-the-buck with officers using the take-home car method! You need to do your research before you vomit back outdated RAG rants!(dang, you ARE stupid!)

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Jun-09-13 6:08 PM

Ordinance 28-13, public service tax says nothing as to where that money is to go. As I understood, it is to go to infrastructure. If this is true, why does the ordinance not state this. As of now, that money will go into the general tax fund, and this spend, spend, spend council will find ways to waste that money. they will then come back next year and pick our pockets some more. I believe in my opinion, this council has voted many more times to spend money than not.

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Jun-10-13 5:53 PM


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Jun-10-13 6:41 PM

Too simple to control the cost. A list is put together at the firehouse on the time we are paying to have them "at the ready".

The next day ONE person goes on the way to his next shift buys the food from the list and brings it to the firehouse where everyone puts it away.

We paid the guy to shop he had to drive to the firehouse to show up for work. That is the cost. @ hours tops once week or maybe an hour to pick up items like milk or produce etc.

The truck does not put uneeded miles on it, the coverage is not corrupted, the fuel, part replacement etc. is also a savings.

Oh but I forgot we never did it like this for the last 40 years this place was a city!

Where is the critical problem solving? Union says you need 2 firefighters to push the cart from the store to their parked car!

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Jun-10-13 6:44 PM

Some stores let you order on the internet and deliver for a 10% of the total bill charged. We don't need to hire Steve Forbes we need to contact the "SCARECROW". Might as well we already live in OZ!

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