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May 31, 2013

To the editor: On the eve of Memorial Day weekend, I sat and reflected....

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lightswitch

Jun-11-13 7:00 PM

Are you speaking to the fact that Sullivan banned political shirts in the council chambers?

You are a liar! Why because what was banned was people at the PODIUM having political attire or as you say t shirts.

You can wear whatever attire you choose. However you can't take it off, it is against the law.

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linda53

Jun-06-13 11:56 AM

JJ, we found out who really was eating "Filet STEAK" meals,on the tax payers dime. What a "KING Farce" that turned out to be. Please,list the accomplishments that Sullivan and Leetz have actually done,during their term on the dais.

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linda53

Jun-06-13 11:07 AM

L.S. you really need to get a life.how about providing proof of the helping of others that you did during Charlie?

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1sandy

Jun-04-13 9:55 AM

@lightswitch: Never said John Sullivan "purchased" the equipment...what I said was he allowed it to sit around, on his watch, and it wasn't until the "new" Council of November 2011, that the equipment was out up for sale. BTW, as long as you are checking with him, ask him about his Selective Service status during the Vietnam War era and report back what he said.

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JustanotherBill

Jun-04-13 4:45 AM

I am glad the city council is doing what they are doing so people have a clear picture of their agenda. This causes me to believe they currently have too much power. I hope this is causing more people to pay attention to what they are doing and come out and vote this year. Hopefully we have a good voter turn out and in the end we have a more financially responsible council that understands the needs of their constituents. I would like to see tax increases such as the two the council is forcing on us go to the ballot. Let the majority rule! We as tax payers need to have more of a voice in our local taxes.

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lightswitch

Jun-03-13 9:06 PM

Compare the overhead costs to run a home and have the same services.

If you do not work for the city you have been more than hoodwinked!

Time (the next 2 years) after this budget and October 1, 2013 will begin to show you.

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lightswitch

Jun-03-13 9:02 PM

Now let's see what and how the &% utility tax, the fire assessment tax works hiding a 25 million dept that this city grew to (what a councilperson told me) $29 million during this economic down turn. Not much belt tightening. And now the consultant pegs the figure at for this budget not yet passed at $33.4 million. Funny they stated they will recover 72% of the 33.4 million which is about the 25 million that ran the entire dept before all this lying about costs and figures began. So I think it follows from one dept or budget line item resident will continue to be over taxed. The city is no bargain and we will get to see how badly the council has allowed it to follow the wrong path to prosperity. Next year the 1 mil will disappear and the non ad valorem tax list grow and the services like trash pick up, storm water will grow. Who wants to buy in Cape Coral and pay the tolls, and pay another 1 cent sales tax the county is proposing. Contact your friends in the unincorporated area

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lightswitch

Jun-03-13 8:43 PM

I know someone who visited 23 states last year to see how other cities and towns handle this economic crisis. Let me tell you they did not carry all their government employees as Cape Coral. They cut early, no procrastination, no 5 week hiatus for their officials, reduced vacation time, no overtime, no hiring, doubling up dept with people who stayed. They did not hold there breath for 3 years they got serious ASAP. The best part their communities are better for it today. They dug out quicker than here. It is supposed to be Florida 1st into a recession first out. But in Cape Coral it was overlook the recession last in and we will be last out!

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lightswitch

Jun-03-13 8:30 PM

So you did see people helping people here and I was one who was helping just like you and many others.

May be you shouldn't pat yourself on the back. People generally do what they should do in a crisis. The mid West where so many people filled sandbags to hold out the Mississippi River. The rub is people will take advantage of others when the crisis is over if they are let to do so. Mid West, Northeast, New Orleans, or here!

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Lolita

Jun-03-13 11:10 AM

Never assume anything. Many of us were here for Charley, but we were working in the trenches to help keep everyone safe and we continue to do so today. I am sure you are not one of them. I don't concern myself as to who you are or not, but I will continue to work for our community wherever I can without concerning myself about what you and others might think of me and attempt to judge who I am. Keep up the good work of continuing to prove to most of us that we should keep supporting our City.

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lightswitch

Jun-03-13 2:36 AM

Lolita where you here for hurricane Charley? Probably not. People I saw where ebver they were from provided what you talk about in the mid west.

But you are correct most have now had enough of the current SIX city council members who have not done the residents any benefit for their tax dollar.

If you are who I think you are you were of no benefit to most of the residents.

So now going forward let's see where we go. After the 7% Utility Tax, and the Fire Assessment Tax begins to effect the homeowners and businesses start extracting the big bucks from their wallets in April through Sept. We will just see what transpires. We will see a big change Nesta, Carioscia, and Erbrick won't get a second chance! Donnell is going bye bye due to terms or he would not get reelected either. Time will tell and I have the the time and will make the effort to see the city change its ways or disappear. It should be able to stand after 40 yrs. Mid West cities and town cut back in 2007.

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lightswitch

Jun-03-13 2:18 AM

Lolita did you bother to ask them if they were over taxed for their services.

The reason you feel and see the blast back here is most know after a time things do not get better here. They realize it is an area (Note I call it a city no longer) that is a land development scam. It has really only one product here Government. It makes nothing, sells nothing and instead of the support role it is supposed to take it is the real business in this area.

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lightswitch

Jun-03-13 2:07 AM

Sandy1 regarding the $15 million biosolids equipment purchased not by Mayor John Sullivan who took office after the purchase had been made by the council consisting of Burche, Day, Tate, Bertolini.

After these people left a true study of the bio solids process was found to be of a nature of so costly it could not do the job in a way so costly it would never be of value to the city. Not even if they could have sold the fertilizer! Sandy1 you NEVER seem to be able to relate the whole story even though your agends is the city right or WRONG. I guess we know where you get your revenue!

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JustanotherBill

Jun-02-13 7:34 PM

I agree with the two issues the Cap Cape Coral Taxes group is seeking. I am not a Steve Lovejoy fan by any means; in fact I believe this move would have a better chance if someone else was heading it. However, how can you not be for letting the tax payers have more of a voice? All this movement is doing is getting two issues on the ballot. If the majority doesn’t want it then it if fail. I think both changes would be good for the Cape but let the majority rule.

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lightswitch

Jun-02-13 9:44 AM

APR = Associate Public Relations WOW! That gives much more relevance to your posts. I have heard of dress for success but APR to impress?

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JulieStevens

Jun-01-13 10:53 PM

LynnRosko, thanks for the enlightening, entertaining - yeah, even sidesplitting explanation of "APR." Can you explain why she uses it when it "bears no meaning to the topic"?

Haven't been here long, but I sense a definite agenda - one is either pro- or anti-City staff/employees. In a little over a year, I already know about 90% pensions and a few other perks peculiar to the Cape and its employees. Unsustainable, say I!

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1sandy

Jun-01-13 3:23 PM

@JohnSull: Mayor, you want the truth, you want the truth,YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. Where were you when infrastructure money was being used to balance the budget? Why did you let expensive bio-solids equipment sit for years until the "new" Council put it out up for sale? Why did you stick it to the rate payers and not restart the UEP? Where are the results of that phony baloney audit that you orchestrated to get MWH that cost Cape taxpayers thousands of dollars? Why did you hire a person that had NO City Management experience to manage the Cape? And that lawsuit that you filed against the Cape, why weren't taxpayers compensated by you for the costs to defend that lawsuit when you bailed on it?

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1sandy

Jun-01-13 2:54 PM

Once again, the meanness and vile rhetoric is rearing its ugly head back there in the Cape. One must wonder why. It is this one person's opinion that there are too many with nothing better to do, no real life responsibilities anymore, so the favorite past time is character assassination, lying and dirty politics. I for the life of me can't believe anyone would want to run for office in the Cape. The pay is ridiculous, to a point that only retirees and bustouts, with no other decent income would even think of it. Yet, we expect Steve Forbes like people, to emerge as candidates and solve the City's problems. Bwahahaha! Every 24 months the residents of the Cape must go through another round of embarrassing mud slinging, so it is no wonder that hardly anyone votes in that town anymore. Nobody freaking cares except for a handful people intent on either moving the Cape forward or the RAG's, (Sullivan & Leetz)who want the Cape to stand still. And the struggle continues.

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Lolita

Jun-01-13 2:14 PM

Just returned from the Mid West where the citizens there are helping each other recover, providing help and assistance, but most of all just being grateful for having survived as they await more devastation coming their way....and I return to the same hateful comments and poking at each other and crabbing. Great to be back with what I thought were civilized people. Take a deep breath people. We could be in the same misery as the Midwest and I hope we can work together if that happens to us.

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lightswitch

Jun-01-13 2:03 PM

5.6% increase in property value equates to HOW MUCH MORE TAX DOLLARS FOR THE BUDGET?

Already baked in a 7% tax on 50,000 plus residential accounts and 13,000 plus business accounts.

Covering 60% to 75% fire budget with fire assessment TAX which will get hashed out Monday June 3rd. That frees up 20 million plus alone and re-taxes the amount separately with charge of storm water and trash pickup. Non Advalorem Tax if you will. Homeowners and the specialty store businesses of Cape Coral are in for a bug big hurt starting October 2013-2014!!!! Business owners and home owners BEWARE!

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jcmckayfl

Jun-01-13 10:48 AM

Wow Lynn, aren't you the pot calling the kettle black! You must have been looking in the mirror when you wrote "one of the more nastier posters on this website".

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LynnRosko

Jun-01-13 10:11 AM

Julie APR actually means a pain in the rear and is so applicable to Eileyn Sobeck-Bador. She is one of the more nastier posters on this website. If you do not have the same views as hers she flips on you and posts the nastiest comments.

She is being totally political to support her narrow minded views as expressed on her Facebook page and to support those people that she wants to win office here in Cape Coral. She does not know if she should **** or go blind with all the bad news coming out on her supported Council members!

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onlythetruth

Jun-01-13 8:52 AM

Switchy, I remember all too well. When the Mayor was running he and his group often wore identifying shirts in unison in chambers, when his group took power, they banned them. He railed against members of council, now you can't do that, he allowed his followers more time at the podium during the reign of the Fab 5, and shut down those opposed in quick fashion. You let me know when you want a history lesson.

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JJSully

Jun-01-13 8:43 AM

The personal lives of council members is not our business, unless it is illegal activity. In the case of McClain my issue with him is his holier than thou attitude. Also his name calling and foul mouth have no place in public debate. If you support this person I have to question your motives. This city will be much better off with this person off council. He is unprofessional and an embrassment.

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JJSully

Jun-01-13 8:34 AM

I sandy and OnlytheTruth have a limited understanding of individual rights. I wonder how large a city salary you take down? Or are you a drop baby or perhaps just that monthly kiss in the mail. If you were the one footing the bill for the unions you may have a different opinion. I think that there are not enough union and city worker votes after the next election. After that we will be able to fire elmer fudd and the clown on the end. Final piece will be sending Szerlag back to Tax and Spent Michigan. So vile ? yep, so is wasting my tax dollars and asking for more.

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