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New levy on electric bills proposed: Council to consider public service tax Monday

April 26, 2013

Cape Coral City Council is expected to vote Monday on a proposed tax on electric bills....

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Lolita

Apr-30-13 9:37 PM

does this really belong on this site???

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SLovejoy

Apr-30-13 7:20 PM

CAPCAPETAXES****

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SLovejoy

Apr-30-13 7:19 PM

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1sandy

Apr-30-13 2:01 PM

@djraal: City Manager has been in 10 months. Again, you have no clue. @lightswitch: Schwing,Burche, Bertolini,Day,Tate? What do they have to do with anything? Bawhaha. @LynnRosko: Hey Lynn, when it is time to march, WE ALL MARCH! @JimRoach: Jim, how many times at the polls can we tell you your ideas are unacceptable? @Disgusted1: Your blah, blah, blah made more sense than the rest of your rant. So let's review, the RAGs ran the City with their own CM for 2 years. and they address the City pensions how? That's right, they didn't They addressed the City employees wages & benefits how? That's right, they didn't. Brandt & Deile had an oportunity to really cut the payroll and what did they do for the 2010 budget? That's right they increased the millage 63%. Hey, how are these RAGs doing so far? The person we call Mayor complains for 4 years about tolls, bio-solids equipment and financial waste. What has he done about it? NOTHING! Bawhahahaha! Go ahead for for him!

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Lolita

Apr-30-13 10:35 AM

Guess some people learn the hard way. Leetz never addressed his "Financial Urgency" issue. His only question was, what does a church do? Really. Time to get the hook out. The Mayor on the other hand, forgot why he has a gavel. When anyone steps to the speaking box and then attacks the council, including the Mayor, and threatens with removal, etc. time for the gavel. Nada.

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PaulLohr

Apr-30-13 6:56 AM

I love all of my sisters and brothers who are out there fighting for liberty...! johngalt, your comments are rarely considered, well conceived and carry truth. Brilliant, my friend. Neal Boortz, will you please retake your seat as the head of the class of libertarian thought? I spend frivolously then show up at my the local church asking for funds to feed my family...is this not the argument of the city? Government employee pensions and benefits are killing us.

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lightswitch

Apr-29-13 6:29 PM

The numbers have already begun to change!

Police Pension saving went from $93 million to tonight $75 million. Reduction of savings $18 million over the 25 year period.

The $20 million dollars needed for capital improvements Szerlag stated he needs $300 million. Over how long? The 20 million which is actually more because they said they have budgeted money. That would take the city 15 years on top of all the bonds that have been issued since just before Terry Stewart resigned from the city manager post.

Palm Bay, Fl who the consultant is using for one of his poster children on this Utility Tax. I looked up and they recently purchased 45 foreclosed homes. The City of Palm Bay fixed them up and are selling them. Why did Cape Coral do nothing like this to help put them back on the tax rolls. Instead it bought $13.1 million in undeveloped land to be taken off the tax rolls and lie fallow!

Evidently this city does not have the smarts to question and contact other cities in Fl

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James71

Apr-29-13 5:43 PM

LCEC should set up a hot line for this tax increase and as the calls come in they should be forwarded to those who vote for it.

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lightswitch

Apr-29-13 4:04 PM

LEETZ you brought up last week at the council meeting that there is a solution.

I believe you indicated the council had not considered it. You called it the Florida Emergency Statute. TONIGHT YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO IT AND INFORM US ON WHO< WHAT< WHEN AND WHY?

IF you were spouting BS than you need to be replaced as well!

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lightswitch

Apr-29-13 3:57 PM

Jim Roach the reason for revenue diversification is due to the over zealous management structuring the city has done and the many years of spending betting it would be an endless revenue. That is why the Homestead Exemption with its 3% cap was put in place. However the city spent beyond what that brought in with its unbridled Utilities Projects. The financing of general obligation bonds to just run the city. I want to know how we are so strapped for cash yet we can afford to pay a 5% BONUS (?) to the Police Dept. in TRADE for a $93 million savings over 25 years? It equates to $3,720,000 a year EXCEPT THE SAVINGS DO NOT MATERIALIZE UNTIL THE LATTER END OF THIS DEAL? This council should be imprisoned if this is put through! THE WHOLE POINT IS THE CITY NEEDS CASH NOW! ALSO THE BUDGET THIS COUNCIL LET THE SCREWBALL CITY MANAGER PUT THROUGH AND WHICH WE ARE WORKING WITH NOW WAS FLAWED!

WHERE IS THE MONEY? IT WAS OVERSPENT THAT"S WHERE! WHERE"S THE BOND MONEY WHERE?

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Lolita

Apr-29-13 9:41 AM

Lightswitch....Still waiting for the Florida Statute # you alluded to. Really wanted to research your suggestion before the meeting. Are you still here???? Please provide the information to research your suggestion.

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lightswitch

Apr-28-13 11:06 PM

Tonight sun 4/28/13 Council person Rhana Erbrick states, "this tax has to \be put in to smooth out the revenue so we won't have this problem next time."

Next time will be next year if this tax is put through, along with the fire district tax and a bump in the manipulated millage rate they say will drop 2 pints. This is BS because she McGrail, McClain, Nesta, Carioscia Donnell, have never worked for the residents and are not to be trusted. The logic that a home will sell if the potential buyers are aware of the high millage (even if it is dropped 2 pts) along with the 10% Utility Tax even if they drop it to 7% along with the fire district tax to recoup 60% (it was going to be 75%) will cause a person having to sell to discount the price even more to move it. This is becoming an ethics issue! No municipality has the right or good conscience to do what is being done to its homeowners.

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November

Apr-28-13 6:20 PM

This tax rewards large land owners, seasonal residents, real estate investor who bought up 100 foreclosed homes at a time, and the rich who have energy saving solar etc. It penalizes the single parent, widow on social security, under employed, familes and business in our City!

Shame on Council! Join the Recall Movement of the Council that vote for this tax! City needs a one time assessment for each item they over spent, we need to see what we are paying for!

Shame on the City Manager for hiring a snake oil salesman from out of town "Burton" to educate us! That is your job!

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vikingfan

Apr-28-13 5:54 PM

Where are all those people that were for, getting rid of the last council? They said we would be better off once we put these union people in there and this new manager. I can't seem to find any of them. I remember seeing and hhearing them on the news press and anywhere else that they could spew their hate and discontent. How come they are not out here talking about how great it is to have all these new taxes and how great this new council and manager are? Come on now, we know who you are and you still live in the Cape. Let me guess, the cat has got your tongue.

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johngalt

Apr-28-13 7:59 AM

How about consolidating expenditures, rather than diversifying revenue!

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onlythetruth

Apr-28-13 7:58 AM

Ah, it's election season. All the usual suspects are now emerging from the shadows after a long hiatus.

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Disgusted1

Apr-28-13 12:31 AM

Well, looks like the Slick Six aren't any more intelligent or imaginative or creative than the last bunch that warmed the seats on the dais. But, hey, when only 18% of registered voters get up off their duffs and vote, this is what you get.

Here's a suggestion: Fix the problem that's going to bankrupt the city - PENSIONS and BENEFITS. I know the city workers will rant and rave and cry and scream, but until we face reality and fix it, we'll keep seeing more taxes and fees and threats of no service, blah, blah, blah. You can tax and assess fees and add percentages to the ad valorem rate, but until you address the elephant in the room, it's just spitting in the wind.

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JimRoach

Apr-27-13 6:59 PM

I don't disagree that we need to diversify revenue BUT, this package is unfair. How is it that the Fire Assessment tax has double the rate on the lower property values than on the higher property values? How is it that the NET cost per homeowner is more than THREE TIMES higher (when calculated as a tax rate compared to property value) than the high value homeowners? This tax will take most of the money from the Average and Low value homeowners who are the one who spend the most in businesses in Cape Coral. So, the tax is really just shifting the burden from the high property values to the average and low property values. In the end, most of the 20 million in additional revenues will come out of the lower half of the property values and, in turn, most of that 20 million will result in lost revenue to Cape Coral's businesses. Slow down and take another look at how you have shifted the tax burden and come up with a better way that has less negative impact on citizens and businesses.

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grumpy19

Apr-27-13 3:29 PM

Why was this brought up at the 11th hour? I'll tell you why. The ones on council that support this don't want you know exactly what is in this new tax. There is no guarantee in the ordinance as to what the money will be used for. It must be earmarked for specific use, otherwise it will go to pet projects of the council members that support the pet projects. Either put this ordinance on the Nov. ballot and let the people who vote, vote on it, or table it until it can be thoroughly thought out. Not put together with bubble gum.

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lightswitch

Apr-27-13 11:50 AM

Lynn Rosco you are 100% correct in stating the preparation for the Utility Tax was not properly prepared.

Even today McGrail is fumbling around trying to make a case for this tax. He was not prepared when he spoke and brought the next week 1 electric bill.

It only confirms more and more how the city disregards any budget it might cobble together.

McGrail is not the person to put in charge of legislating what is to be done for this city.

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LynnRosko

Apr-27-13 10:40 AM

What about families that use more electricity because of kids in the home and are just getting by? What about people that own older homes without all the energy savings features of a newer building? What about all of our residents on fixed incomes that just don't have another dollar to spare?

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LynnRosko

Apr-27-13 10:09 AM

This Ordinance is poorly written and poorly conceived! No where is an exemption given for our disabled veterans of war. As it stands right now if they are disabled veterans they do not pay property taxes because of their war related injuries. Conversely they would be required to pay the PST! If they cannot get it from your right hand they reach for your left hand!

No where in the Ordinance do I see that the first 500 KWH are not counted as was stated at the meeting.

There was no research into the increases in property values that ultimately will bring in tens of millions in additional revenue to the City.

This Ordinance should be tabled until more research is done!

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johngalt

Apr-27-13 9:05 AM

The insidious argument that what we enjoy in Kape Koral only flows from the local gubmint’ is insulting and shallow. As if, a park is not a park unless it has a paid city employee hanging around the restrooms. As if, public safety only flows from a squad car or a fire hose. As if, the sun won’t shine and the bugs won’t bite unless we spend tax dollars. No my fellow travelers, we have a good community because we have honest, taxpaying, law abiding, good citizens. Don’t be swayed by the propaganda. A hundred less redundant city employees or five year old police cars won’t change our lives in Kape Koral.

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James71

Apr-27-13 8:21 AM

I notice how they want to slam this thru before the new grand list is announced. This group is wild spending cowboys. Why a fire service charge when the firemen use a 700,000 truck to go out to lunch. Or they get paid (some time and 1/2) to shake the boot for mda yes they are ON THE PAYROLL. the managers of this city are so in tune to 04-05 spending they cry every time someone says reduce their spending. enough!!!!!!

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Lolita

Apr-26-13 8:10 PM

Mayor Sullivan believes they have not done enough to cut spending and we should wait. Seems he must have had plenty of time in four years to find "cuts", where are they. Bring in the information right now on Monday not 6 months from now after the election.

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